tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5100747061833336603.post6723682195583587892..comments2023-05-12T01:10:00.164-07:00Comments on Scrum Central: Next Letter to DadRobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02992194211469009236noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5100747061833336603.post-62416234223709610792009-11-10T00:29:11.615-08:002009-11-10T00:29:11.615-08:00Your letter touched me. Thanks for posting it.Your letter touched me. Thanks for posting it.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08175153474572340487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5100747061833336603.post-15846382650488561522009-11-09T14:19:43.297-08:002009-11-09T14:19:43.297-08:00An excellent letter indeed! Beautiful!An excellent letter indeed! Beautiful!Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04561860729984232424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5100747061833336603.post-86027714688969657932009-11-09T06:25:06.922-08:002009-11-09T06:25:06.922-08:00Great Letter Alan. I might include a little bit mo...Great Letter Alan. I might include a little bit more about David & Jonathon. Here is what I wrote during a debate on Facebook:<br /><br />I think that the above answers the first half of your question as for Jonathan and David.<br />I recommend you read the highlighted verses (well the whole story actually, but the highlighted verses in any case)<br />a. http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_sam/18/1-4#1<br />b. http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_sam/20/30-31#30 ... Read More<br />c. http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_sam/20/40-42#40<br />d. http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_sam/1/23-27#23<br /><br />Now read it again, this time substitute the name Jonathan for Annie. Does that not sound like a story of true love rather than a story of "brothers" like in the hood as suggested by someone above (forgive me I forget who)<br /><br />Now read it again with Jonathan and David. Take A and ponder this: When was the last time you saw a heterosexual man, swept away by brotherly love, offer another man his most precious possessions in their first encounter? Suppose the bishop, upon meeting another man for the first time, stripped himself of his suit and gave it to the other. Suppose in that same encounter he also offered his most precious possessions — perhaps a family Bible, a wristwatch with an inscription from his parents, and his beloved four-wheel drive pickup truck. Wouldn’t this strike you as more than just a little “queer”? Isn't that what just took place in A?<br /><br />Take B. Saul is essentially saying “Can’t you see how you’re shaming the whole family? Do you even care what this will do to your career? You’ll never amount to anything until you give up this foolishness!” In the biblical text, the arguments are the same. And, even more significantly, Saul’s reference to shaming Jonathan’s mother’s nakedness carries a sexual connotation. Uncovering the nakedness of a family member was a euphemism for incest in the holiness codes of the Old Testament, and Saul would not have used this phrase lightly. Would Saul be as upset if David were not Jonathan's lover?<br /><br />Take C. They certainly knew their love was doomed. And Jonathan reminded David of their *covenant* with each other. He reminded him that even if they could not be together, they had made a pledge and the bond between them would last through all generations. All their children and grandchildren would be like one family, bound by their love for each other. Later, after taking the throne, David would remember this covenant and adopt Jonathan’s only son as his own — something completely unheard of in a time when kings were expected to kill anyone with any connection to a previous, rival king. Does that not sound like the sealing of a family together?<br /><br />Take D. Here it is in black and white. David states the love he shared with Jonathan was greater than what he had experienced with women. Have you ever heard a straight man say he loved his guy friend more than his wife? This goes well beyond deep friendship between two heterosexual men.David Baker-@DB389https://www.blogger.com/profile/09029208091840336879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5100747061833336603.post-26591925631722576962009-11-09T04:06:18.777-08:002009-11-09T04:06:18.777-08:00Great letter Alan. I'm glad you got into the ...Great letter Alan. I'm glad you got into the personal aspect. I was afraid from your previous letters that your discussion with him would wander too far into the abstract and nothing would be resolved.<br /><br />Thanks for sharing your conversations with him. There is a lot to learn from you and him here.Good to be Freehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14997330087610802803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5100747061833336603.post-90735689141028020852009-11-08T21:59:03.428-08:002009-11-08T21:59:03.428-08:00Good letter! I wish I had the confidence to tell m...Good letter! I wish I had the confidence to tell my dad similar things. How has your dad reacted to this letter?shaantvishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16766550108082613286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5100747061833336603.post-65841211347598711352009-11-08T21:02:22.457-08:002009-11-08T21:02:22.457-08:00very nice; maybe you've covered it elsewhere, ...very nice; maybe you've covered it elsewhere, but have u brought up your inevitable separation--even excommunication--from the church? As a parent of adult children i know that i carry a lot of guilt for not being a perfect parent. when he laments your leaving the church (better put, the church leaving you), he may be as much concerned about his guilt as about your spiritual welfare.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5100747061833336603.post-89293547354837676382009-11-08T20:50:53.669-08:002009-11-08T20:50:53.669-08:00This is a beautiful, extremely well written, well ...This is a beautiful, extremely well written, well thought out, insightful, and compassion-filled letter. I applaud you for its contents and for the messages of what you want and need for your life. <br /><br />And, you have shared these things with great love, with your papa. Good on you. <br /><br />I would love to be able to send such a letter to my father. But, I rather value living- and, as he and my mother would rather have a dead child than a gay child, I will not be sharing with them. I am so happy for you, though, that you can and do. <br /><br />Thank you for allowing us the privlege of reading this very personal letter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5100747061833336603.post-67013593134676940392009-11-08T20:46:28.098-08:002009-11-08T20:46:28.098-08:00That is truly great. It made me want to be better ...That is truly great. It made me want to be better just by reading it. Well said.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13869392461425549362noreply@blogger.com