tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5100747061833336603.post8250995431751499658..comments2023-05-12T01:10:00.164-07:00Comments on Scrum Central: The Talk With Dad, Part OneRobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02992194211469009236noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5100747061833336603.post-5368780645494668462009-12-01T03:17:27.583-08:002009-12-01T03:17:27.583-08:00It's good you're having a dialogue with yo...It's good you're having a dialogue with your dad, but, contrary to what boskers suggests, I don't think your dad has a strong argument. It's more as TGD suggests - it's where your dad is right now.<br /><br />That's generally how these conversations go: You learn more about how the other thinks. He learns that his opinions weren't at solid as he once thought. If you keep giving him an opportunity to talk through the issue, with enough time, he'll should come to a place where, on some level, he accepts you and your decision.<br /><br />But let us be clear: There is no "meeting in the middle" on this issue. We're already in the middle, waiting for the other side to meet us there.Chesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14842556640318143930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5100747061833336603.post-22684052215733683662009-11-30T15:48:31.910-08:002009-11-30T15:48:31.910-08:00I'm not entirely sure what the point of statis...I'm not entirely sure what the point of statistics was in the conversation but it seems to serve a purpose for your dad in how he is trying to process it all. Nothing wrong with that. It's where he is. <br /><br />It does remind me a lot of what it meant to be Mormon myself. I.e. Imposing oneself and others to a defined standard wether it be moral ideas, behavior, appearance or otherwise. So, when venturing outside of that conformity there were consequences but only between those who saw that conformity as important. It doesn't have to be Mormon vs Gay. It could be Rich Mormon vs Poor Mormon or Single vs Married. Life is one big consequence because we make sure there are consequences.<br /><br />I think the biggest mess we get ourselves into is thinking that we must put value judgments on consequences. If I never left the house because I was afraid of one of the possible consequences of doing so would be breaking my leg, then I would have to face the consequence of never enjoying life. But it's more than just taking a risk. So I left the house and broke my leg, good or bad? Neither. Because I broke my leg the consequence was expensive medical treatment and physical therapy. good or bad? Neither. Because of the consequence of physical therapy I met a really cute therapist and we started dating? Good or Bad? Neither. He turns out to be possessive and jealous? good or bad? Neither. We break up, good or bad? neither. It's just what happens.TGDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01787370282987477869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5100747061833336603.post-29306310580684827642009-11-30T09:03:56.072-08:002009-11-30T09:03:56.072-08:00I think this is wonderful! Anyone who can keep su...I think this is wonderful! Anyone who can keep such a dialog going and not lose their cool and come to an understanding with hopes of future conversations, has my complete awe and praise.<br /><br />Keep it going! Understanding comes, even if you agree to disagree.Beckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06159223254071653666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5100747061833336603.post-68624884400431328052009-11-30T08:20:39.917-08:002009-11-30T08:20:39.917-08:00I'm always in awe of those who can have a civi...I'm always in awe of those who can have a civil conversation with another person who holds a different point of view or perspective. <br /><br />Thank you for sharing this journey with us.Urban Kodahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01327437055164051853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5100747061833336603.post-61771981207556111212009-11-29T22:25:32.189-08:002009-11-29T22:25:32.189-08:00This sounds like a horrible conversation to me. I&...This sounds like a horrible conversation to me. I'm so sorry things didn't go better :(El Geniohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02801064758712821345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5100747061833336603.post-44858174533451744872009-11-29T21:57:45.914-08:002009-11-29T21:57:45.914-08:00I think you win when it comes to eloquence, Alan. ...I think you win when it comes to eloquence, Alan. :)<br /><br />But you both have very strong arguments. I'd hate to get in the middle of that kind of wordplay dealing with generalities/logic/statistics/morals. I'd get chewed up and spit out. I get tense simply reading your discussion on your blog!<br /><br />Thanks for making this conversation open to all. It's very interesting.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08175153474572340487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5100747061833336603.post-48272982809529623402009-11-29T21:22:04.966-08:002009-11-29T21:22:04.966-08:00Mormons don't make up even a tiny fraction of ...Mormons don't make up even a tiny fraction of the world population. They aren't normal.Romulushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05698110566802674718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5100747061833336603.post-78958880419023089452009-11-29T21:18:28.372-08:002009-11-29T21:18:28.372-08:00Fascinating. I'm so glad you two have persiste...Fascinating. I'm so glad you two have persisted in keeping the dialogue going. Looks like you both learned much in this candid conversation.Nedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05938186985738546670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5100747061833336603.post-81827399967652784732009-11-29T20:42:42.495-08:002009-11-29T20:42:42.495-08:00A most interesting conversation. He tries hard to...A most interesting conversation. He tries hard to make a logical statistical argument about normal and abnormal behavior, but in the end he still draws moral conclusions that aren't based on statistics. He insists on using behavioral comparisons such as, murder and pedophilia. Why not use a comparison such as left handedness or polygamy? Both are "abnormal" behaviors, but don't carry such negative associations?Good to be Freehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14997330087610802803noreply@blogger.com